The first is when men try to get other men to "man up" so they pull their own weight, and the second is when women try to get me to Man Up so they'll serve women.
I'll discuss men trying get other men to Man Up.
I've had jobs where I had bosses, and jobs where I was the boss and sometimes the teacher.
I have found the majority of men have no leadership, managerial or teaching skills. So when they try to get other men to Man Up, they don't know what the hell they are talking about.
I do have some leadership skills, and I have found to be an effective leader you listen to your subordinates. Then you have to put their welfare, that is, the organization's or group's, above yourself and your ego.
I've heard bad leaders called Toxic Leaders.
Forbes magazine put it this way:
"Toxic leadership is a combination of self-centered attitudes, motivations, and behaviors that have adverse effects on subordinates, the organization, and mission performance. This leader lacks concern for others and the climate of the organization, which leads to short- and long-term negative effects. The toxic leader operates with an inflated sense of self-worth and from acute self-interest. Toxic leaders consistently use dysfunctional behaviors to deceive, intimidate, coerce, or unfairly punish others to get what they want for themselves. The negative leader completes short-term requirements by operating at the bottom of the continuum of commitment, where followers respond to the positional power of their leader to fulfill requests. This may achieve results in the short term, but ignores the other leader competency categories of leads and develops. Prolonged use of negative leadership to influence followers undermines the followers’ will, initiative, and potential and destroys unit morale."
Does anyone in their right mind think the deluded attempts of Toxic Leaders to get other men to Man Up is going to work, or is it going to backfire?
I have seen some incredibly bad managers. The one that sticks in my head is working for a guy who was caught having sex on company property with a woman he had hired. It wasn't his wife.
This guy was a backstabbing, lying, disloyal man who tried to appropriate his employees' accomplishments. He was protected for years by his boss.
He also hired incompetents like himself, so what we got was a cascade effect.
It took about five years for the Big Guns to New York to lateral this catastrophe out of state.
So my point is that when dishonorable and disloyal men try to get others to Man Up, who is going to listen?
Men are only going to listen to other men when those men listen to their subordinates, fairly address their concerns, and put the welfare of the group or organization above their own petty egos.
As for man Manning Up to serve women, that is not going to work because the attempt to do is done the wrong way.
If wages had gone up the way they should have since the '50s, the average man would be making about $100,000 a year. Then a husband could support himself, a wife, and a couple of kids, and also have a nice middle-class house.
So if you want men to Man Up, let's see that $100,000 a year.
These days marriage is a lousy deal. Take the chance of a divorce and losing our kids, your house and your money? No thanks, not until that changes,
Men are not impressed by a woman's educational and material accomplishments. Doctors, lawyers, who cares?
Maybe someone should explain these things to women. Men are not going to Man Up to marry a female doctor, lawyer or business executive.
They're not going to Man Up to marry overweight tattooed women either, no matter how much pressure is brought to bear on them.
If you want men to Man Up then women should start being feminine again, stop blaming their problems on men, and start thinking they are victims when they are nothing of the sort.
Men are just going to turn into PUAs and MGTOW when they don't get the money they deserve or are denied Wife, Children and Home.
And for God's sake, some of you women out there, lose some weight!