Saturday, November 23, 2013

I'm Just Not Quite Sure It's Worthwhile To Get Married Anymore

"If women are strong, independent, and self-reliant, then men are no longer obligated to be protectors and providers." - Mark Trueblood

"A man who should like to be a provider to a loving wife and family has virtually every force conspiring against him." - Bryce Laliberte

Now the story is that 50% of marriages end in divorce, and 90% of them are initiated by women. Even if those percentages aren't exact, and are just approximate, then it just might be true that marriage these days is a raw deal for men.

If you add into that mix that fact that generally the children are given to the mother, and the father has to pay alimony, that's just an added nail added to the coffin of marriage.

There are some other problems.

I've seen more than one estimate (I've even figured it myself and got the same results) that if wages had continued to go up as they had in the '50s, the average yearly income would be from $90,000 to $100,000 a year. One economist has figured that if they had risen as they should have since after WWII, it'd be about $300,000 a year.

(As an aside, I've always been amused by the Aspie whackjobs who shudder at the horror of an increase in the minimum wage - they see a tiny little twig but completely miss the forest.)

When I graduated high school the blue-collar guys went straight to the steel mill, started at what today would be about $30,000, and in five years were making about $75,000. (I remember one guy whose wife told me she'd find his uncashed checks in his desk drawer. He had so much money he didn't particularly keep track of it.)

Those days are now gone. Poof.

Even in college I worked part-time, had a studio apartment, a used car (with insurance), bought a radio, had a phone, bought my clothes (at a thrift store), and paid for my food (when I wasn't eating the left-over pizza at the delivery place I worked at). And I was still able to save money. It wasn't even hard.

Try that today, It's not possible. Again, poof.

Wages haven't gone up since January, 1973, and you can thank the government for that, 100%.

My father, who was a high school drop-out (as was my mother) ended up being a general contractor, and gave us a middle-class lifestyle. I lacked for nothing.

Before that my grandfather dropped out in the eighth grade and installed wooden-strip floors for a living. He and his wife had nine kids and still lived a middle-class life-style. Now that today is completely impossible. Poof, poof, poof.

So the economy is part of the problem. You can't get married and have kids if you have no money.

That's just part of the problem, though. High-paying blue-collar jobs have been outsourced, and the court-jester economists lie to themselves, and you, and say this is a good thing. It's not.

Then, as has been noticed many times, Affirmative Action means "White Men Need Not Apply." I've seen this many times. So men are being shut out of high-paying jobs.

Problems, problems, problems.

Men are the ones who created civilization and maintain it, and one of the reasons they do it is because they can get married, have kids, and have a decent life-style. All of that has been taken away. There is no incentive whatsoever for a man to produce any more than he needs to live. Which is means there is, ultimately, going to be no support for women.

So, what is going to happen? Society is going to collapse, and it's happening right now. I'm half-fascinated, half-horrified, watching this slow-motion train-wreck.

What is going to happen to women in the near future? They're going to pay for it more than men are. The day will come - is coming - when men refuse to support them anymore. And women certainly can't support themselves. Why?

Women cannot maintain a civilization or an economy on their own, contrary to their delusions. Women are 100% dependent on men - they can either marry men, or marry the State. It's not because of those left-wing hallucinations about "oppression" and "patriarchy." It's because men and women have different natures and different brains.

Sooner or later, the State is going to collapse, as it always does, and women's make-work jobs are going to go away, as is their support from the government, i.e., taxpayers. Then what are they going to do?

And if enough men refuse to get married - and close to 50% of men aren't - what happens to women? They end up spinsters with the proverbial cats. And I've seen that, too, not just one time, but many times. And of course, these women blame their problems on men, as women are wont to do.

Complain, complain, complain.

Another thing we're going to end up with is one man seeing several women. Sort of a soft harem. If polygamy was legal (and it would be a horror), then starting at about 16, I could have collected perhaps 12 wives.

So as men withdraw from marriage, they are either going to avoid women completely, or else become predators doing the Pump 'n' Dump. That's what you seen today with the MGTOW or else the PUA lifestyle. Then you've got the men who never could get women, and they are the ones truly fucked.

It's going to be an interesting ride, and not a particularly good one.

"The Western World has quietly become a civilization that undervalues men and overvalues women, where the state forcibly transfers resources from men to women creating various perverse incentives for otherwise good women to conduct great evil against men and children, and where male nature is vilified but female nature is celebrated. This is unfair to both genders, and is a recipe for a rapid civilizational decline and displacement, the costs of which will ultimately be borne by a subsequent generation of innocent women, rather than men, as soon as 2020." - the Futurist


jim said...

The modern system is geared towards the protection of women and the ability trap men. Men are 2nd class citizens, period. Much rather be a loner "loser" rather than a SMP/marriage "winner" any day of the week. Because the trophy for winning these days is a yoke around one's neck and slavery for years if not til death.

All these fools out here that play the game of we "hate" feminism but "love" women are ignorant. Get out of line and watch as they revert to their feminist programming of shaming tactics and using the legal system to get their way. Women are not your friends or your allies. They have been brainwashed to manipulate, hate, and not trust you. Whether or not men use that knowledge is their choice. Just don't complain about crazy ex's when the paint on their cars are scratched or they're being stalked. Women have a free pass to do such things because it's always the man's fault for causing them.

Old Broad said...

Conversation w/ a young man: "I hate to admit it, but you're right. A marriage/LTR isn't worth worth the risk unless you want kids." "Kids aren't worth the risk." Then I try to keep the sweet-old-lady look while thinking OMG WE'RE DOOMED! Because the best way to rear non-psychopathic kids is Marriage 1.0, which is gone, gone, gone. You can't blame a young man for not wanting his heart ripped out. Still, the babies come anyway. Young women act like they have no idea how it happened. (As if they don't know!) Will Western Civ. be swamped by a tidal wave of feral?

Robert What? said...

I am one of the producers, married for 20 years. I can tell you for certain from this vantage point, that most of the incentives for men are gone. Both for being a producer and for getting married. The tough part is knowing what to tell my son, since getting married and being a producer are suckers games for men in the 21st century in the US.

Old Broad said...

@ RobertW:

Have your boy read Married Man Sex Life (blog and book) and anything by Deti. Good new Deti post:

Good old Deti post:

Robert What? said...

Thanks, I will look the articles over. It is a real dilemma. I don't want to tell him lies like: (1) "Work hard, produce value and you will be rewarded financially." I have nearly 60% of my income confiscated by the different levels of government. (2) "Treat girls nicely, be the gentleman and you will be rewarded with the love of your life." That just gets you friend-zoned and/or treated like a fool. Yet, on the other hand, I don't want him to be a cad, slacker, or "victim".

Old Broad said...

I'm old enough to remember when that advice worked well enough. To paraphrase "grerp", that system has been firebombed.

Take The Red Pill said...

For a man today, marriage is like a game of "musical electric-chairs" -- even if he 'wins', he loses.
2020 can't come fast enough.