Friday, February 13, 2015

The Promotion of Freedom

I have pointed out before the researcher who created and promoted the concepts of Alpha and Beta among wolves recanted and said he had been completely wrong. He had been studying wolves in prison, i.e. zoos. In the wild these hierarchies didn't exist and a wolf pack consisted of the parents (the misnamed "alpha couple") and their cubs.

That is why I pointed out "alphas" are parents, i.e. patriarchs. And under true freedom there is lots of marriage and kids. Since this country no longer has much freedom, marriage rates are collapsing, as is the birth of babies.

Where do you find strict hierarchies among humans? In unfree, nearly slave places - police (as in "police state"), the military, prisons, public schools (Stephen King said his first novel, Carrie, was about his high school).

In unfree societies slavery and involuntary servitude comes about through the agency of the State. As the State grows, freedom recedes.

One of the reasons this lack of freedom came about is through democracy. Democracy is feminine and leftist (all leftism is feminine - Erik von Kuehnelt-Leddihn referred to it as "the overthrow of the Father").

So I concluded a long time ago the overwhelmingly majority of women do not want to be free - they prefer a non-existent "safety" over being free. Not surprisingly, they don't even know this. Which is why women must be kept out of politics.

This country was not founded as a democracy - the Founding Fathers to a man despised democracy and had the whole of recorded history before them to show that it lead to slavery and collapse.

So if democracy leads to slavery and collapse, when then is the best kind of government? In Europe things finally evolved to mature Christian constitutional monarchies. In other words, a patriarchy with a King and Queen as parents.

They were finally overthrown by leftists - and not one of these monarchies went down fighting. From that overthrow we got the left-wing, atheist 20th Century, and the deaths of perhaps up to 200 million people.

And all because the feminine overthrew Mom and Dad. And men let them do it.

Is it surprisingly that mythology - such as those about Eve and Pandora - claims women bought evil into the world?

The Manosphere is a response to feminism - a response to leftism. The bizarre thing about it is that the concepts of "Alpha" and "Beta" and the rest of the concepts - are based on strict, unfree hierarchies - which means they are partly leftist themselves. It's as if the Manosphere is a mirror image of leftist feminism. It's why sooner or later, as I pointed out before, most of the concepts of the Manosphere will just collapse. They're based on bad fantasies, not reality.

I have written before of the Machine State versus the Natural State, which are literary concepts created by the Industrial Revolution.

Leftism, with its leveling and identitarian properties, leads to the Machine State - everyone "equal" and interchangeable and therefore disposable cogs.

So I conclude that under the Natural State we have a small government, a constitutional monarchy, with a King and Queen. Things aren't perfect, and never will be, but I'd rather live under Nero than be gnawed to death by a million rats that is Democratic Man.

And it would be a lot more free and prosperous than what we have today.

15 comments:

Earl Thomas said...

There are only two worldviews.

One that sees people as cogs in the machine...and one that sees people in the image and likeness of God. Whichever government follows the trend of the later will flourish.

Bob Wallace said...

Exactly.

DeNihilist said...

Bob, though the research on wolves was ultimately proven to be wrong within a wolf pack, it was/is true about wolves/dogs brought together from different packs. As was observed in the zoo setting or my own home, or even the neighbourhood before all dogs had to be contained, there were/are always fights amongst the dominant males/females to find order.

As I observed in my childhood, within my pigeon coop, there was one dominant cock, who bred with the most fertile hen. Eventually age caught up with him, and his son beat the hell out of him one spring, then took over his mother as his mate, as she was still the most fertile hen.

There is some truth to A/B, but not as stated by the twits of the sphere. I still stand by the description of the letters by Bonecrackr. Try as they might to twist the meaning to fulfill their fantasies, a Rose by any other name is still a Rose!

Anonymous said...

"It's as if the Manosphere is a mirror image of leftist feminism."

Whenever a particular form of leftism is ascendant, new counter-movements often arise which partially imitate its structure and ideas. The Nazis imitated the structure, language, and much of the philosophy of the Bolsheviks whom they ostensibly despised (it's not a coincidence that their swastika sat on a red background). The anti-Soviet Neoconservatism created by ex-Trotskyites was not really conservative at all, just militant and quasi-messianic, not unlike the early Communists. While progressive clergy were trying to destroy the Catholic Church from within in the decades after Vatican II, the "Charismatic Catholics" suddenly appeared as a new "conservative" faction, preaching doctrinal orthodoxy on hot-button social issues, but enthusiastically embracing the Protestantized, emotion-driven, stripped-down liturgical style favored by the reformers. Anders Breivik hated Islamic terrorism, but also envied their success at using fear and intimidation to get their way, so he became a terrorist. The phenomenon is very common.

Probably, it emerges because people who are instinctively anti-leftist, but untrained in philosophy or logic, try to imitate the success of powerful left-wing movements, not realizing that left-wing tactics only truly work for left-wing ideologies. This whole exercise of fighting feminist leftism with masculinist leftism is like letting Denethor use the One Ring to defend Gondor from Sauron- the weapon can only betray you to your enemy, or turn you into something nearly as bad.

Anonymous said...

The left will never capitulate on the damage it has wrought against those it pretends to benefit. What does this mean? In the future, we'll have more single mothers, far fewer marriages, far more welfare payouts and all of the social ills those things entail. As far as most women and minorities are concerned, that future is ideal. Sweden is America's future - the left's idea of a modern social utopia.

Marriage is dying a well deserved death. Once it switched from favoring families to blatantly favoring only women - and destroying men - marriage was doomed. Efforts to save it will fail. Billions have already been flushed down the toilet promoting marriage. Marriage and divorce are little more than multi-billion dollar wealth transfer cash cows for women, lawyers, judges and the state. Marriage is little more than indentured servitude for men. In the past 4+ decades, tens upon tens of millions of men's lives have been destroyed through marriage.

The internet allowed men to warn one another of the misandry inherent in modern marriage - which has saved many a man from a suicidal future and started the marriage strike. In the decades to come, marriage will only apply to those that can afford to lose at least half of their net worth and future income and still avoid homelessness and poverty. In other words, in the future, only 20% will marry.

Dusty Meckelford said...

“And under true freedom there is lots of marriage and kids.”

“True freedom” is a SJW term. American citizens have freedom, especially whether or not to marry and/or have children. If the MGTOW crowd seeks to opt out of this responsibility, so be it.


“Since this country no longer has much freedom.”

[Laughs] patriarchal freedom, sure. But, freedom, in and of itself, resonates in America. I am able to buy a gun, speak my mind in the public square, go where I want to go, and fuck my wife in the arse.


“As the State grows, freedom recedes.”

The State doesn’t exist in and of itself. Rather, the citizens of that State—men and women—decide whether or not certain liberties are to be recognized. Americans still have the freedoms listed under our Constitution. Some of them assuredly have been expanded or curtailed. Welcome to reality.


“Democracy is feminine and leftist”.

[Laughs] That’s a good one, Unky Booby. Tell me another story.


“They were finally overthrown by leftists…”

The monarchies of Europe had become outdated entities, bestowing privilege to the wealthy elite, pillaging and plundering their folk, and butchered anyone who dared challenge their authority. True Dat, some would argue that representative democracy entails these failings as well. Don’t like how the direction the country is heading? Get involved. Writing a blog is fine, but actually taking matters into one’s hands is far more effective than whining and bitching everyday.


“but I'd rather live under Nero than be gnawed to death by a million rats that is Democratic Man.”

You can always leave and find that special place. The common folk prefer our republic, warts and all.


“The internet allowed men to warn one another of the misandry inherent in modern marriage - which has saved many a man from a suicidal future and started the marriage strike.”



This “strike” wreaks of male solipsism. Unfortunately, you are a biological dead end. That is, unless, you “man” up, get married (plenty of upstanding women are out there), and have children.

Anonymous said...

This “strike” wreaks of male solipsism. Unfortunately, you are a biological dead end. That is, unless, you “man” up, get married (plenty of upstanding women are out there), and have children.

Nice attempt at shaming. The words "man up" are the most commonly used to shame men into destroying their lives through marriage and family. Move on to the next sucker. I have a genius level IQ, great education, am in the top 10% of income earners, have tons in savings, own my home, blah, blah, blah. There's no way I'm ending up destroyed and emasculated through modern marriage.

Feminists have done more to free men from the bane of their existence - the traditional male role - than any other group. The problem with feminism is that it wildly overshot equality and morphed into the new bane of male existence. Feminists, anti-feminists, white knights, tradcons and MRAs all work to continue the subjugation of men. They differ only in the way they implement the subjugation and their angle of attack.

The rape stats are false. The wage gap stats are false. The DV stats are false. Men contribute the majority of taxes and women consume the majority of federal funding. There's even talk about giving women a premium in social security. Men pay the majority of taxes and live shorter lives, but the PTB want to give women more social security. Women have always been the privileged class. The vast majority of men have always been the disposable class.

Gynocentrism has run amok. Misandry has run amok. MGTOW don't want a better seat at the slave table. MGTOW understand that MRAs, feminists, anti-feminists, white knights and tradcons hope to mold men into whatever best suits their particular group's goals. Its plain old brainwashing and social engineering. MGTOW see through this. To get elected and re-elected, male government leaders are throwing men under the bus by pandering to women for their votes. Women manipulate powerful men - with threatpoint - to implement policies and laws that discriminate against men and work in favor of women in education, health and welfare.

MGTOW understand how false rape, DV, sexual assault, molestation and harassment claims can destroy their lives. MGTOW are fully aware of how wildly these statistics have been falsified. They also understand why. The President of the United States knows the stats are false. The colleges know the stats are false. The feminists know the stats are false. Congress knows the stats are false. So why do they all keep using the false stats? It's not too hard to figure out.

MGTOW want no part of feminism, anti-feminism, men's rights activism, white knighting or traditional conservative beliefs. MGTOW understand how marriage and family can destroy their lives. Through marriage and family, tens upon tens of millions of men's lives have been destroyed in the past 40+ years, which has resulted in hundreds upon hundreds of thousands of male suicides. MGTOW want no part in traditional male roles. MGTOW want no part in the feminist definition of manhood either.

MGTOW seek their own sovereignty and freedom from male disposability.

Dusty Meckelford said...

“I have a genius level IQ, great education, am in the top 10% of income earners, have tons in savings, own my home, blah, blah, blah.”

Everyone, meet Tony Stark.



“There's no way I'm ending up destroyed and emasculated through modern marriage.”



Dude, your choice. It is just most unfortunate that your genetic code will not be passed down to any offspring.


“Feminists, anti-feminists, white knights, tradcons and MRAs all work to continue the subjugation of men.”



I see you are playing the victim card, just like the darkies in Ferguson. Well played, sir.


“The rape stats are false.”


I could see that.



“The wage gap stats are false.”

Patently false. http://www.bls.gov/cps/cpsaat39.pdf

Now, it is true that the gap is shrinking. http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/business/GAO-12-10.pdf


“Men contribute the majority of taxes and women consume the majority of federal funding”

Offer evidence to support your assertion or retract.


“The vast majority of men have always been the disposable class.”



Now, how can that be if men are the builders and creators?


“To get elected and re-elected, male government leaders are throwing men under the bus by pandering to women for their votes.”

REAL MEN are addressing the needs of society, including men and women. Why don’t you run for political office if you are so upset about their alleged malfeasance?


“Women manipulate powerful men…”

With what, sex? Baked goods? Then perhaps these men aren't so powerful after all...



“…which has resulted in hundreds upon hundreds of thousands of male suicides.”

Feminism is the exclusive or majority cause in male suicides? Ok, hotshot, give me some statistics.


“MGTOW seek their own sovereignty and freedom from male disposability.”



Live your life that way. It’s just that as I factually stated you and your ilk are sadly a biological
dead end.

LosAngelesKing said...

How many sock puppets does this Cheech and Chong bitch have anyways? Dusty Meckleford is just the first I noticed.

kurt9 said...

I'd rather live under Nero

Or Lee Kuan Yew. I would say that Singapore is the modern-day model of what you advocate.

Mindstorm said...

http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/ideas/articles/2010/07/11/how_facts_backfire/?page=full - although a list of references would be nice, this provides some food for thought. I wonder why a monarch would be better equipped to deal with this problem. If nothing else, it would be easier to scapegoat him, right? ; )

Mindstorm said...

'Real' men in ALLCAPS? I wonder, what are you doing here, then? For what office are you in the running, 'Dusty'? 'Real' women are free to compete as well, so nothing stops you.

Anonymous said...

"Live your life that way. It’s just that as I factually stated you and your ilk are sadly a biological dead end."

Good. Then let me be the biological dead end. I don't care. If the PTB want to turn the US into another 3rd world country - more power to them. I'm not going to be blackmailed into continuing my gene pool. I'll be dead. Why would I care? Why would I bring children into a world in which the PTB destroy my children?

It doesn't matter to me one iota. It matters a lot to the children and grandchildren of today, with which I have zero concern. Again, I'll be dead. They'll die a miserable death as a result of their parents leaving them a miserable life of debt and poverty.

You can't see where I'm right, can you?

Dusty Meckelford said...

"They'll die a miserable death as a result of their parents leaving them a miserable life of debt and poverty."

[Laughs] Really, now. ALL parents? Hardly.

Bob Wallace said...

All parents - in fact everyone - has left a crushing government debt to future generations. Right now, my taxes are close to overwhelming. And it's not just me.