Thursday, January 29, 2015

"Six Reasons Why Men Are Avoiding Marriage, with Helen Smith, Ph.D."

16 comments:

Take The Red Pill said...

Men are also realizing that the best way to avoid divorce is to not marry in the first place; increasingly, they are also avoiding cohabiting with females since cohabitation beyond a certain period of time is looked upon by the legal system as 'defacto' marriage, with all of its attendant disadvantages and dangers. Man are also realizing that cohabitation with society's privileged and increasingly mentally unstable females leaves them vulnerable to false charges of 'rape' and domestic violence, for which there is no redress or justice.
The government, the legal system, our misandric society, and women themselves have associating with females increasingly hazardous without any benefit to men.

“MGTOW – because it’s better to be single than to wish that you were.”

Dusty Meckelford said...

“Men are also realizing that the best way to avoid divorce is to not marry in the first place;”

SOME men, who are better off not pursuing women because they tend to be immature and unable to seriously undertake a meaningful, long-lasting relationship. By all means, please keep opting out; you guys remind me of the lesbian separatism movement, a "going your own way" framed as self-preservation, as if your strike will actually punish women. Interesting these same men lament why the white birth rate is decreasing when it is in their hands to propagate their own kind in light of black and brown babies being popped out like Pez dispensers.


“Man are also realizing that cohabitation with society's privileged and increasingly mentally unstable females leaves them vulnerable to false charges of 'rape' and domestic violence, for which there is no redress or justice.”

First, men are just as bat-shit crazy as women.

http://www.bdtonline.com/news/suspect-arrested-baby-s-brain-injury-results-in-charges-against/article_8bd25796-a1ef-11e4-b7db-5bed476f2e65.html?mode=image&photo=0

Second, you will need to offer specific evidence regarding the number of increasingly mentally unstable females. What are the metrics involved?



“The government, the legal system, our misandric society, and women themselves have associating with females increasingly hazardous without any benefit to men.”


Sex and kids are the advantages, my friend.

Rusty Shackleford said...

" By all means, please keep opting out; you guys remind me of the lesbian separatism movement, a "going your own way" framed as self-preservation, as if your strike will actually punish women. "

American women are awful. Every government institution and facet of their upbringing and education pretty much insures it. Looking for the good ones is like looking for a straw in a pile of junkie needles. Women from some other countries can still be fantastic, though. If I had only ever known American women, I'm sure that I would either still be a clueless, depressed, nice-guy schmuck or else a bitter misogynist by now.

Lesbians/feminists amongst others have remade society to suit them. Regular guys have had the legs cut from under them.


"First, men are just as bat-shit crazy as women."

Men don't initiate 80% of divorces and force their ex-wives to work as slave labor at the penalty of debtor's prison, while withholding any parental contact with their children from them. Half of all marriages end in divorce in this country. Every place I've ever worked has had at least one dead eyed, divorced man who was seething with misery and resentment just below the surface. Any woman you marry can take your children and all your assets because she's bored with the marriage or for no reason at all. It's enough to make a man think.

ray said...

Helen does a fine job with her blog, and the personal appearances I've seen. Good works.


The whole equality/egalitarian religion is doomed, however. You can't maintain a civilization based on self-deception.

Take The Red Pill said...

Dusty Meckelford said...
..."SOME men, who are better off not pursuing women because they tend to be immature and unable to seriously undertake a meaningful, long-lasting relationship. By all means, please keep opting out; you guys remind me of the lesbian separatism movement, a "going your own way" framed as self-preservation, as if your strike will actually punish women. Interesting these same men lament why the white birth rate is decreasing when it is in their hands to propagate their own kind in light of black and brown babies being popped out like Pez dispensers."

Your default resort to shaming language shows how you are either a feminist, a tradcon, a White Knight, or a mangina; therefore you would also likely refuse to understand any reasons either I or any MGTOW would have as our reasons to Go Our Own Way. Besides, didn't you get the message that shaming language doesn't work anymore?
At any rate why should I care about "punishing women", when I am simply doing as they have long said that they wanted -- removing myself from their presence and lives? And I have never 'lamented why the white birth rate is decreasing' -- it is something that is beyond my power or capability to control; women have taken over ALL of the legal, social, and political power in society today with their feminist Victimology. The only power that I have is over myself, and I am exercising it by GMOW.

"First, men are just as bat-shit crazy as women."

Yes, and those kinds of men are usually the ones that women are much more likely to find 'attractive' (the 'exciting', 'romantic' "bad boy") and get impregnated by...until he starts to physically abuse them and 'their' children, of course.

"Second, you will need to offer specific evidence regarding the number of increasingly mentally unstable females. What are the metrics involved?"

For a start, simply go on the web and Google for information about the increase in female consumption of anti-depressants and medications for mental 'disorders' (such as schizophrenia, 'bipolar', etc.) for the last 20 years.

"
Sex and kids are the advantages, my friend."

They are NOT 'advantages', not when a man can be charged with increasingly-nebulous definitions of 'rape', or have access to his children taken away at the drop of a hat by an increasingly-hostile legal system, and by false charges of Domestic Violence for simply raising his voice, slamming a door, or refusing to buy something that she wants.

Dusty Meckelford said...

“Men don't initiate 80% of divorces…”

Which in all likelihood is the result of a myriad of factors, some of which are directly related to male behaviors in that marriage.


“Any woman you marry can take your children…”

OUR children, i.e. the outcome of a man and woman fornicating.


“…all your assets because she's bored with the marriage or for no reason at all.”

Just as likely a man could blow the family income on wine, women, and song.


“Your default resort to shaming language shows how you are either a feminist, a tradcon, a White Knight, or a mangina”



Straight from the MGTOW playbook. I believe it is derived from Alinsky’s tactics. 1) I am not shaming anyone; rather, I am merely pointing out that not all men take your position. 2) it is the liberty of men to “opt out” of women and marriage and children altogether, just don’t expect me to have any empathy because 3) a number of manospheric endeavors run counter to pro-God masculinity.


“women have taken over ALL of the legal, social, and political power in society today with their feminist Victimology”

[Laughs] ALL, no. SOME, ok, I can see your point. Remember, however, WHO had created and controls the legal, social, and political institutions…MEN. So are you blaming those leaders, too?


“Yes, and those kinds of men are usually the ones that women are much more likely to find 'attractive' “.

Hey, you “opted out”. Why should you care?

There are a number of men whom I know who are married and have kids. They maintain “frame”, pass “shit tests”, and direct the relationship “alpha male” style. It may not be YOUR version of how they ought to think and act, but these men are extremely content in their relationship.


“For a start, simply go on the web and Google for information about the increase in female consumption of anti-depressants and medications for mental 'disorders' (such as schizophrenia, 'bipolar', etc.) for the last 20 years.”

From what I read, 23% of women in their 40s and 50s take antidepressants, a higher percentage than any other group (by age or sex). Are these “over the hill” women even a blip on your sexual radar? Probably not. Now, while women are more likely than men to take antidepressants, these benefits have been overstated, and pharmaceutical companies have been engaged in aggressive marketing campaigns that are in part responsible for the surge in prescriptions. Most men do not seek medical help for depression—partially because they may be embarrassed or perhaps because they are unaware that effective treatments are available.


“They are NOT 'advantages', not when a man can be charged with increasingly-nebulous definitions of ‘rape’…”

You can thank Roissy and his merry crew for using “game” for shaming women into sex. Tease, escalate, and close.


“or have access to his children taken away at the drop of a hat by an increasingly-hostile legal system”

Another wild generalization. But, in those cases where the woman is crazy, that is why a good lawyer on speed dial is required. OR, maybe the man neglected the easily detected warning signs and pursued the relationship regardless. Besides, they are not simply HIS children, they are the product of both man and woman.


“and by false charges of Domestic Violence for simply raising his voice, slamming a door, or refusing to buy something that she wants.”

Here is a suggestion…get a phone app to record any and all conversations with women as protection if said women demonstrate actions that may lead to one’s arrest IF you are so worried about this potential problem. Even better advice would be to properly vet said women, and drop them like a bad habit, rather than try to get into their pants because they are “hot”.

Rusty Shackleford said...

"Which in all likelihood is the result of a myriad of factors, some of which are directly related to male behaviors in that marriage."

Hem-hem-haw-haw, yes, of course, maybe it's all very difficult and complicated and related to a myriad of factors which make it so hard to draw any conclusions or assign any responsibility. Or maybe we can just apply Occam's Razor and say that when 80% of women are filing for divorce that bitches be crazy. What other explanation is there when the American male has never been a more docile and pussy whipped creature than he is today, and when the laws and every institution in society have never been more favorable to American women? How about at least naming some of these "factors"?

How many people do you know who've served prison time for failure to pay alimony or child support? I've known several men who this has happened to just personally. How many women do you know who've been sent to prison for falling behind on their alimony payments? How many women do you know who are having their paycheck garnished and living in single bedroom apartments in slums just to pay the upkeep for children who they barely even get to see? You don't think that men see this and think, "hey, that could happen to me" or do you really believe that men are just "immature and unable to seriously undertake a meaningful, long-lasting relationship"?


" But, in those cases where the woman is crazy, that is why a good lawyer on speed dial is required."

"Here is a suggestion…get a phone app to record any and all conversations with women as protection if said women demonstrate actions that may lead to one’s arrest IF you are so worried about this potential problem. Even better advice would be to properly vet said women, and drop them like a bad habit, rather than try to get into their pants because they are “hot”."

Wow, that all sounds like a lot of fun. Where do I sign up?

Dusty Meckelford said...

“What other explanation is there when the American male has never been a more docile and pussy whipped creature than he is today…”

What, by YOUR standards are "docile" and "whipped"? Because patriarchy. Listen, each man themselves is able to determine what is "manly"; they assuredly do not need YOU to shame them into thinking they are somehow not meeting YOUR arbitrary standards.


"and when the laws and every institution in society have never been more favorable to American women?"

Debatable.



“How about at least naming some of these “factors"?

Cheating by the husband or wife.

Shifting of priorities, i.e. job, education, children, by the husband or wife.

Focus on work by the husband or wife.

Getting married too young and not realizing the amount of work it takes to drive that relationship
by the husband or wife.


“How many people do you know who've served prison time for failure to pay alimony or child support?”

Two. Both men who were saddled with a drug problem.


“How many women do you know who've been sent to prison for falling behind on their alimony payments?”

Four. Again, drug dependency issues.


“How many women do you know who are having their paycheck garnished and living in single bedroom apartments in slums just to pay the upkeep for children who they barely even get to see?”

None. I only associate with men and women who of high social standing :)


“You don't think that men see this and think, "hey, that could happen to me" or do you really believe that men are just "immature and unable to seriously undertake a meaningful, long-lasting relationship”?”

COULD is the key word here. I COULD get robbed tonight by a vibrant. I COULD get hit by a car by a drunk driver. I COULD convince my wife to have a threesome with a petite Filipino.


“Wow, that all sounds like a lot of fun. Where do I sign up?”

Go to Return Of Kings. They will be able to offer you some direction in this matter.


I will say this again, since it is EXTREMELY important. There are a number of men whom I know who are married and have kids. They maintain “frame”, pass “shit tests”, and direct the relationship “alpha male” style. It may not be YOUR version of how they ought to think and act, but these men are extremely content in their relationship. The women work outside of the home; cook and clean; raise the kids proper; maintain a good figure; and give head…all the time. Those women are plentiful. You just have to know where to look and aggressively deal with their baggage.

The Obvious said...

There's alot of sockpuppets here, from Dusty Meckelford to Rusty Shackleford, and the writing style sure sounds like Cheech and Chong Found God is behind them all.

Rusty Shackleford said...

"None. I only associate with men and women who of high social standing :)"

That's the sort of mincing bitchery that I'd expect from an American girl. You have no real knowledge or experience with the world and you think that is something cute and a thing to be proud of. You've marked yourself as low caliber, and you don't even realize it. The men I knew in that situation were making very good wages by the way. They just weren't seeing any of it after the courts got through with them. Also, shouldn't a quality, high class girl like you have better things to do on a Saturday night than post replies on a blog?

And you know 2 people who've been sent to prison for failure to pay alimony/child support but 4 of them are women? You see, this is one of those things where all people from category B have to be in category A but not all people from category A can be in category B. Maybe try reading those questions again?



"Debatable."

Okay, let's debate it. At what other period in American history have the laws and social institutions been more in favor of women? Further, are men more masculine or less masculine that they were 50 years ago? If you think masculinity is some kind of crazy culturally defined thing with no basis in reality then perhaps consider the testosterone levels and sperm counts of modern men compared to previous generations.

The reasons you gave for why women file for 80% of divorces aren't good reasons for getting a divorce, and none of them are exclusively due to male behavior.




"Go to Return Of Kings. They will be able to offer you some direction in this matter."
"I will say this again, since it is EXTREMELY important. There are a number of men whom I know who are married and have kids. They maintain “frame”, pass “shit tests”, and direct the relationship “alpha male” style. It may not be YOUR version of how they ought to think and act, but these men are extremely content in their relationship. The women work outside of the home; cook and clean; raise the kids proper; maintain a good figure; and give head…all the time. Those women are plentiful. You just have to know where to look and aggressively deal with their baggage."

That sounds like living in a lion cage. Today the lioness is purring at your feet. Tomorrow you maybe make a wrong move and she rips your throat out. It happens in zoos and in marriages. But, hey, great, good for them. Until the facade drops or the wife just gets bored, for whatever reason, and they lose their kids and everything they've ever worked for.


"COULD is the key word here. I COULD get robbed tonight by a vibrant. I COULD get hit by a car by a drunk driver. I COULD convince my wife to have a threesome with a petite Filipino."

I wish good luck and happiness to any man and woman who decide to get married. When I have these discussions on the internet my only real concern is in highlighting the risks and inherent injustices in the system that are mostly left unsaid publicly.


Rusty Shackleford said...

"There's alot of sockpuppets here, from Dusty Meckelford to Rusty Shackleford, and the writing style sure sounds like Cheech and Chong Found God is behind them all."
Look, man, I just tell the truth, no matter how hard it is. If you've got something you disagree about, you could just say it instead of raising a meta-discussion. All the same, yes, I'm 100% sure that Dusty Meckleford is C&C. We had a discussion on this blog a few months ago, and apparently she took offense. I just don't care.

Dusty Meckelford said...

“That's the sort of mincing bitchery that I'd expect from an American girl.”


What makes you think that I must be a woman? Sorry, dude, I am a man, and I am 40!


“You've marked yourself as low caliber, and you don't even realize it.”

Here is a virtual paper bag so you do not hyperventilate.


“And you know 2 people who've been sent to prison for failure to pay alimony/child support but 4 of them are women?”

The common theme in ALL cases, unfortunately, is drugs.


“At what other period in American history have the laws and social institutions been more in favor of women?”

In favor of citizens of a country, which includes men and women, yes.

In offering opportunities previously denied to them as a citizen, including men and women, yes.


“The reasons you gave for why women file for 80% of divorces aren't good reasons for getting a divorce...”

Cheating is not a “good” reason? Great to know. Regardless, it’s really one’s prerogative. You don’t have to agree.


“Until the facade drops or the wife just gets bored, for whatever reason, and they lose their kids and everything they've ever worked for.”



What a negative way to think and live. Listen, if you aren’t married, just stay single. Society is better off in the long run.


“my only real concern is in highlighting the risks...”

There is risk in everything we do. Some activities carry more than others.

AAB said...


The Obvious said...

There's alot of sockpuppets here, from Dusty Meckelford to Rusty Shackleford, and the writing style sure sounds like Cheech and Chong Found God is behind them all.


Yeah, I'll second that. Typical troll behaviour: trying to suck you into a time-wasting, pointless debate.

Rusty Shackleford said...

"Yeah, I'll second that. Typical troll behaviour: trying to suck you into a time-wasting, pointless debate."

Typical sheep behavior: "Yeah, I'll second that." Baa.
In fairness, someone who's spent years exclusively blogging about this subject would think that it's settled and barely worth discussing. Someone considering the PUAs/MRAs/MGTOWs/etc for the first time might find a friendly internet chat on the matters worth their time, even if nothing is settled in the discussion itself.



"
What makes you think that I must be a woman?"

You write like a woman.

Anonymous said...

The speaker on my computer isn't working. Is this available in text?

Bob Wallace said...

Just Google the woman's name and you'll get all kinds of text.