Sunday, June 1, 2014

A Little Bit More About Elliot Rodger

I said I wasn't going to, but I changed my mind. After reading the chattering classes, none of whom have a clue...

I try to keep things simple, which means looking to the past.

Let's take the Seven Deadly Sins: wrath, avarice, sloth, pride, lust, envy, and gluttony. The worst one is Pride, or what the Greeks called Hubris, because it is the basis of all the rest.

If you look at the story of the Garden of Eden, it started with them wanting to be Gods (Hubris). Then there is the serpent (a symbol of envy and therefore hate)...and Adam and Eve listen to him and get kicked out. The lesson? Pride is the worst sin, followed by envy. And the Seven Deadly Sins is what brings all human evil into this world.

Rodger was afflicted with hubris (which the Greeks considered a type of insanity if bad enough), calling himself "the Supreme Alpha" and a God and other hubristic things. And he was eaten alive with envy. And he was wrathful, which doesn't mean angry. It means wanting to kill others, and sometimes yourself.

So here we had a man who suffered from Hubris, was consumed with envy, and who was wrathful. And there was lust. What about avarice, spending his money on the lottery, hoping to become wealthy?

And that is why he did want he did. Not because of lack of gun control, or misogyny, or Pick-Up Artists, or whatever nonsense the Stupid/Ignorant can conjure.

11 comments:

Socially Extinct said...

Rodger embodied that shallow and voracious vanity that I detest. Ultimately, as you infer, he is a spokesman for sin and nothing else. But it's amazing how much his persona has been appropriated by those with agendas.

Bob Wallace said...

They try to use what he did to support their agendas, meaning they get completely wrong why he did what he did. It must be wonderful living in a word of complete certainty, even if you're wrong.

Glen Filthie said...

This is not a case of sin, or ideology, IMHO.

It is a clear case of mental illness and that's it. You can't blame the manosphere, or feminism or the NRA or the devil.

James said...

@Glen

And where does mental illness spring forth from? Most have genetic components, but are not triggered until defining moments or factors are met. One such factor is the absence of a father. Studies have shown this increases to more crime, higher chance to dropout of school, less successful in life, etc. Why is this? A son without a dad (or a shitty or absent dad) has a permanent inferiority complex, because it is the dad that knows how to build up a son, that no woman knows, including the mother. And how does an inferior person ashamed of himself think? Well UncleBob talks about it all the time so I don't need to repeat it but I will. They cover it up with pride. They envy those who have good things. Their envy and shame eventually unleash into wrath. It all spills over once you get pride going. Clear case of mental illness! Sure! But I bet had his parents never divorced, had his father been there for him all the times he needed him, had he never had to deal with shitty step relatives, he would have been a much more stable man.

I don't think UncleBob ever blamed the manosphere. I think UncleBob merely criticized the idea that most manospherians think all of Roger's problems could have been solved if only he had known game. His problems with women also stemmed from pride, but his problems with women are at most a symptom, and so called game would do nothing more than add a bandage, a dirty rotten one at that.

Anonymous said...

He killed for the same reason most killers do , he chose to. Everything else is wind.

Questor said...

Mr. Roach had I thought a concise yet substantial take. Neat and tidy and to the point like your posts often are, Bob.

http://mansizedtarget.wordpress.com/2014/05/27/a-familiar-shooter/


RobertW said...

For every Roger Elliot there are a million young men suffering through the same hell that would never inflict violence on another person. Well, the same hell without the money, the BMW, and the sense of entitlement: young men who have been doing everything our feminized society has been telling them they need for success with women, with life, but coming up empty handed every time. The misery must be nigh on unbearable.

Glen Filthie said...

Hey James - good comments, but do I understand you correctly? Are you saying 'sin' produced the mental illness?
If so - that is incorrect. We have seen any number of fine, exceptional men forged in the hell of broken homes. Just as we have seen men like Elliot break - for no apparent reason.
It makes for some interesting thinking and discussion.

delusionandgrandeur said...

Narcissism seems to be a common denominator in many of these incidents.

Questor said...


Very good, elemental, post Bob.

Wyowanderer said...

Glen,
I'd agree that the man's mental illness. In the case off those whose good character was forged in the hel of a broken home, They chose to do right. This little fellow did not.