To pass the time I decided to judge the women walking by: "Would?" or "Would not?"
It was an eye-opening experience. I don't know how many women walked by. To make things simple, let's say 100. Of those women, I got five "woulds." That means 95% of the women were not acceptable.
I also noticed something else. Many of the middle-aged women looked as if they might have been cute as teenagers. As the years went by I noticed that many women reached their peak as teens and by 35 they were unrecognizable.
I have also found that even for very-good-looking women after age 27 their prospects aren't that great anymore.
When I got off work as a guard the next day I pulled out my senior yearbook and went through the senior class girls. 56 yes and 157 no - roughly three-fourths "no.". I never went through though the rest of the girls because I figured it would be the same.
Henry Rollins once said, "Knowledge without mileage equals bullshit." It's worse than that. A little knowledge with a little mileage equals doubleplusungood bullshit.
And that it why I have a hard time taking so many of the concepts in the Manosphere seriously. It acts as if all women have the upper hand when younger, with their "hypergamy" and 20% of the "Alphas" getting all the women, and "Alpha Fux and Beta Bux," and all the rest of those adolescent delusions.
And this includes the 80% of women who aren't attractive? And all those overweight landwhales are going to be part of some "Alpha's" harem, because they hate "Betas"?
Give me a break. The vast majority of women cannot play those games, not with the way they look and act. Modern-day complaints against women are now legendary - overweight, hostile, blaming all their problems on men. Yet these same repulsive women can apparently play these "Alpha/Beta," "hypergamy" games? Which they cannot - and proof of that is marriage rates are hovering at 50%.
When it comes down to it, I take my experience over some unpopular, womanless guy spouting nonsense about What Women Are Really Like.
If you are hungry enough, even tripe looks appetizing. Replace hunger with libido. Men are generally more libidinous than women (even ignoring periodic ebb and wane). It's easier for a woman 'to go without', if her other needs are met.
ReplyDeleteAs an aside, it took longer to fulfill reCAPTCHA than to type the comment above. It makes me question if it's worth it to comment here.
Blogger did that and I'm to complain about it.
ReplyDeleteWhat I like is the title basically flipped the script on women claiming that 80% of the men (on OkCupid) are unattractive.
ReplyDeleteThat's weapons grade projection there.
Bob...as far as playing the games presented by the Manosphere might I present a wild card in this whole scenario.
ReplyDeleteAlcohol or other mind altering drugs. It always seems like that is involved with much of the sexual dynamics in this day and age. Could you imagine how this would change if women didn't have the liquid courage crutch helping them out?
If a guy or woman mentions they had to be on some form of drugs in order to have sex...well how great of a person can they be? Can guys even approach women stone cold sober anymore?
Agree w/ Mindstorm re: that CAPTCHA horseshit. Jesus . . . I didn't take any classes in Martian gibberish in skool!! Must be some techno-geek's idea of cute . . . if I ever find the SOB, I'll show him how CUTE I think it is!
ReplyDeleteI was able to change it. Blogger had some software changes but didn't inform anyone. All the stuff should be gone now.
ReplyDeleteDon't some of the manosphere guys admit that a working definition of women is the attractive ones?
ReplyDeleteBlogger had changed things to default Captcha so I able to go to settings to turn it off. I hope.
ReplyDeleteI've been out of the dating market for a very long time, but I remember from my yute that there were many girls I would have tapped that I would never consider now. (And I didn't lack for female attention.) There weren't so many fat ones back then but certainly plenty of homely ones. Youth and thirst explains it.
ReplyDeleteI've seen women who were pretty cute at 16 who are 34 were unrecognizable. The first time I mentioned that to a friend he immediately said he had seen the same thing: from cute at 16 to looking like someone's dumpy potato-sack grandmother at 35.
ReplyDeleteHard drinking and partying can take a hard toll on a woman very quickly.
ReplyDeleteSex, drugs and rock 'n' roll are for teenagers. Keep it up past 18 and you're looking at ruining your looks but fast.
ReplyDelete“It was an eye-opening experience. I don't know how many women walked by. To make things simple, let's say 100. Of those women, I got five "woulds." That means 95% of the women were not acceptable.”
ReplyDeleteAnd had you asked several men enrolled at the college you attended and passed judgement, you would have decidedly received “yes” to women you personally rejected. It seems you are trying to pass an observation as being universal, i.e. ALL men would feel that same way.
Besides, what metrics are involved for your “woulds” and not “not woulds”? Some men prefer asses, some are breast men. Some men want curves, some men want lithe. Some men want softer features, other men want the sexpot look.
“As the years went by I noticed that many women reached their peak as teens and by 35 they were unrecognizable.”
That same observation could be readily applied to men as well.
“I have also found that even for very-good-looking women after age 27 their prospects aren't that great anymore.”
And I discovered that those same women kept their figure, realized they were being unreasonable with their demands on men, settled down and had children…and still maintained their looks naturally. It is a matter of perspective.
“Can guys even approach women stone cold sober anymore?”
Yes. Next question.
Need people here be reminded that those noted for physical beauty in the Bible were often great spiritual disappointments. Rebekah was “very beautiful” (Genesis 26:7), but she was manipulator. Saul was a man of impressive stature, but his disobedience against God put the nation of Israel at risk.
95% of those women were fat/overweight. A few weren't but were crazy-looking and I suspected psychiatric medication. And those two things are a huge problem today: fat and on psychiatric medication.
ReplyDeletefact: there are significantly more ugly women than attractive women.
ReplyDeletefact: there are significantly more fat women than attractive women.
fact there are significantly more fat and ugly women than attractive women.
There are not enough attractive women for every man, hence why mating game is zero sum. So if you ever do find yourself out with an attractive woman, don't be surprised when other men look at you like they want to kill you and take your girl.
I have been the object of a noticeable amount of envy in my life because of other men's envy of me and women.
ReplyDelete"95% of those women were fat/overweight."
ReplyDeleteSure they were.
"Fact: there are significantly more ugly women than attractive women.
fact: there are significantly more fat women than attractive women.
fact there are significantly more fat and ugly women than attractive women."
Those aren't facts. Those are claims. You have to be able to offer specific evidence to back them up.
What is it with commenters here not understanding the elementary rules of debate?
I was the one who stood on the street corner for four hours. 95% of the women were overweight in some degree, sometimes obese.
ReplyDeleteAs for the rules of debate, look up the difference between dialectic and rhetoric. And fallacies such as ad hominem.
Or go to any large department store...at least half if not more will be obese.
ReplyDeleteBut those are just what my lying eyes are reporting. Perhaps there is one corner of the country where all the women are slim.
"But those are just what my lying eyes are reporting. Perhaps there is one corner of the country where all the women are slim."
ReplyDelete"Slim" women are everywhere. From the mall to the ballgame to university.
"I was the one who stood on the street corner for four hours."
And your judgement was impaired as a result.
As MS said in his 'replace hunger with libido' post, men's drive for sex helps to keep the dating marker turning over. With the rise of the hookup culture & short term relationship, many guys will drop their standards a fair way for NSA sex. I know women who definitely have a distorted perspective of their marriage value based on their NSA market value.
ReplyDeleteBeauty is a double edged sword for women. Life is really great when they got it and are young, but there is too much focus & praise for it by media/other women/horny guys/desperate guys.
Nature does a really great job of making young women attractive to men, for the sake of propagating the species. Down through the centuries young men would have taken on teenage girls for their wives. That's all nature needs. It doesn't give a fig about the desire of men & women after 30 really form a historical perspective. Babies would would have been made in the teens & 20s.
Many of those women walking around will be in relationships or married. The single women you bet your ass they are making more of an effort to be more attractive, stay in shape, where more stylish revealing clothing, make-up, longer hair, be more open to interactions with men. Quite a few guys will have been disappointed with their gfs/wives putting on weight and or making less effort with their appearance now they are settled (guys do the same too).
Personally I found a high % of women desirable in their teens & 20s. Definitely more than 20%. There is 1st level sexy and then there is 2nnd level cute/not bad.
From late 20s there was a marked drop in the % then late 30s on it dropped way down. If you stand on a street corner looking at women you are seeing women from 16 - 86, single & married with multiple kids, some happy, some stressed and with a big % of them being overweight if you live in the overfed lazy west. The single man does not look for a prospective gf with such a wide perspective. The older single man though will definitely find the % of age appropriate women he finds attractive will fall away each year mid 30s on.
"And your judgement was impaired as a result."
ReplyDeletePlease, don't be ridiculous.
Some women reach their peak in their teens and it's common knowledge that every year on them their looks so down. These days it's called the Wall, and women can't handle it nearly as well as men. For one thing, they hit it a lot sooner then men.
“Please, don't be ridiculous.”
ReplyDeleteIt is observably true that men overestimate the weight of women...
http://sciencenordic.com/men-say-women-weigh-too-much
...and people underestimate their own weight.
http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/at-the-edge/2013/01/31/lying-about-your-weight
“Some women reach their peak in their teens...”
Operative word is SOME.
“...and it's common knowledge that every year on them their looks so down.”
According to WHO?
“For one thing, they hit it a lot sooner then men.”
Confirmation bias personified.
"A study" doesn't make it science, unless one believes Science is God.
ReplyDeleteThank you, but I'll believe my lying eyes instead.
Proverbs 10:9
ReplyDeleteWhoever walks in integrity walks securely, but he who makes his ways crooked will be found out.
If you want to believe your "lying eyes", go right ahead at your own peril.
"A study" doesn't make it science, unless one believes Science is God."
The conclusions of several studies that are consistent in their methodology and results is science, the way God intended it to be. You are simply copping out.
Bob has made an astute observation.
ReplyDeleteRatio of attractive women by age group.
Age 20 - 1 in 5
Age 30 - 1 in 10
Age 40 - 1 in 100
Age 50 - 1 in 1000
Age 60 - 1 in 10000
Age 70 - NA